. They do have a half cock notch that you could use to carry on a loaded chamber, but theres a reason they say, Dont go off half-cocked. Its an unsafe design from 2 aspects, the fact that it acts much like a single action weapon with the hammer cocked back and no manual safety and it has a totally unsafe asinine take down system. ended up in the guys nostril, and he still didnt get quiet, until he heard the cocking of the hammer. The good folks at Iver Johnson (related in name only to the company that exists today) developed a lifting bar that sat between the hammer and the primer of the cartridge. Any striker fired pistol that doesnt incorporate some type of manual safety has the same chance of a ND as a Glock. The Glock 17 is a full-size pistol that is chambered in 9mm. Bear in mind that all Glock pistols are striker fired and are have no manual safeties. Like: condition 2 (good choice for a DA/SA autoloader), condition 1 (if your chosen piece has a manual safety), and etc. And thats only firearms. There is also one of an off duty cop pulling up his pants and firing his clip draw equipped pistol. The G44 was thoroughly tested with a wide variety of ammunition to ensure maximum performance and . All are coded alike, but each has a different weapon in condition 1 ready to go. Me personally I carry a snap cap in the chamber, so if some lucky bastard grabs my gun and shoots hes about to be dead. Carry chambered? | Glock Talk At Incognito Concealment, we're confident we have the right holster for you. A few weeks went by & I realized I was safe. The first click is there so the hammer isnt resting on the cartridge. But, it has a decocker, so I can put a round in the chamber, decock the striker, and walk around with a much better feeling about it all. Off the top of my head, I dont remember actually seeing that, but in The Shootist, John Wayne does mention it. The full magazine has ten rounds, and the "+1" is the round that is in the chamber. Now, what about those darn useless novelty CCH badges? 1. Apparently the last time it worked. Thank you very much. Next, there was some discussion about GLOCKs. Thats a lot more true to life (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) than most movies, especially westerns. If the trigger safety is not depressed, the trigger will not move rearwards and allow the pistol to fire. Here's my situation: Carrying the pistol with a round in the chamber freaks me out. In the absence of further information, which is never forthcoming, the logical conclusion is: They dont want to fix it. Said every one of the people who later came to suffer from glock leg. My Glock 23 is fully loaded, and no problems at all, even with the 3.5 connector in it that lightens the trigger pull a bit. Since its a bookmark and not a save, it will go there and update to the latest info. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. israeli carry is stupid. In the case of the 43X, the barrel is 87mm or 3.41 inches long. I am at a point in my life that I seem to lose a bit more of something every day and way I see it , I can actually admit to myself that I dont totally trust me without that little conscience click of the safety anymore . Perhaps if someone drops their gun from two stories up and it lands muzzle down on somebodys head? Ive done this quite a bit when rabbit hunting. gun owner would not have a clue on how the gun actually worked or how dangerous it was to handle and carry because what a Moron cannot see a Moron does not fear. Does the Glock fire then? the first two rules of safe gun handling are Dont touch the trigger until you are ready to shoot, and dont point it at anything you dont want to destroy. OH NO! - I'm too old to still think I know everything. The engineer who designed a take down system whereby the slide has to be forward and you have to pull the trigger must have on that day tripped out on LSD. Big thing, its hammer fired and its also DA/SA, so I have no problem with chambering a round and lowering the hammer. 21 foot rule gets those people every time. Old model Ruger Blackhawks which have not been converted should be carried with the hammer down on an empty chamber, just like Colt SAAs and other vintage and replica SA revolvers. 29 July 2022 by srnoj. Made up a little fixture to hold the gun on a piece of pipe, stood up on a ladder and let the gun fall onto its muzzle. Answer (1 of 104): For me. Keep your chin up, youll get it eventually. sounds like bullshat urban legend.. One observation concerning all the keyboard commandos here they seem to make the assumption that people primarily carry guns in preparation for a gunfight, and this is not always true. Second, they also trained. But its hard to imagine a situation where a dropped gun firing into the ground could be a danger. PS: I have never had an ND with my EDC G23 chamber loaded these past 22 years. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. That makes a takeaway more likely to succeed if attempted. The practice of empty chamber carry continued with the introduction of magazine-fed, semi-automatic pistols. But do suggest they make more of them and lower the price for us plebes. Glocks dont have an external safety because they were designed as a simple to operate as possible. Frankly, most of us should be more concerned about our cholesterol anyway. Now that we know what it means to have one in the chamber, let's figure out whether it is safe to carry a "loaded gun" with you. Why You Should Keep One Bullet in the Chamber. While the bad guy is picking up the decoy gun and trying to shoot you with it, you draw your real piece with a round loaded. Again, carrying with an empty chamber isnt wrong, but it just isnt quite right. Some extras, just in case one breaks? Boy, that must be realllll nice. Use whatever gun you want. Carrying on an empty chamber is probably one of the most common beginner mistakes I hear. Many firearms enthusiasts and experts consider it to be the most effective and efficient way to carry a handgun for self-defense. Well you can either use it as a gun or as a brickI like mine to be carried like a gun. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? I'd recommend a Hard Kydex holster like a comp-tac infidel. And the latter is where a Glock is dangerous as is *any* other firearm. you roll the dice. . Sound off in the comments! The priming compound could care less WHAT hits it, so long as the blow has sufficient energy to activate the explosive charge in the primer, it will detonate. No, but itll do the job in almost all instances. You would probably be more likely to survive in a Banzai charge. Sub-one second times, under stress are the norm when properly trained. The trick is training is to do the right thing; doing the wrong thing is still training, just training the do the wrong thing. They make it look soooo easy in the movies! I do same with shotgun the last round fired stays in the chamber. Practice holstering and unholstering without a round and see if the trigger is pulled. Glock originally designed the gun with an exposed hammer and their marketing agent said are you joking no one in their right mind would buy such an unsafe weapon because they can see that the hammer is cocked back. But in any case, the inertia must lie directly in line with the round, and then the round must stop suddenly, like when the muzzle hits the ground. I feel its foolish but its my thought. Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. I for one dont want to take the chance of fumbling around with a gun trying to rack the gun under pressure. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. Nice catch. I use either a DiSantis OWB when its jacket/coat weather or an Alien Gear 3.5 IWB when it Polo or T shirt weather. His response could be ro shoot you with your gun. He also runs his own Gun Blog and YouTube Channel. One of the first shoot houses ever built was built by Fairbairn and Sykes to train their officers. We do all make mistakes. Do u carry an AR all day too? But my Glock has an empty chamber. Thought about getting the Sig with the external safety, but decided not too. Yes - I always carry with a round chambered. Glock firearms Instructor. Kind of like Youtube is determined to censor everything but SJWs and cat videos. So old single actions have to be handled and loaded in a certain way to be carried safely. It made me feel extremely uncomfortable. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Its interesting to note that Massoud Ayoob reported that when one Police Department got fed up with all the accidental discharges with Glocks and went over to a double action only auto that accidental discharges dropped to almost zero. Alright so you said all the pros, not all are valid. Training happens every time we do something, no matter if its shooting, driving, or eating. Why, I havent the slightest idea. Make that line above into: a solution in search of a problem. One of them is as you describe (a 3-screw Single Six). @ mark s: +1 here. Amen! So were really talking only about safe carry and capacity, as the first shot fired will be from the NEXT chamber. When it didnt open the first time, your brain clicked again to make sure, often without one even knowing they did so. My wife carries her Beretta 92 loaded with the hammer down and the safety off so all she has to do is draw and fire; first shot DA and the rest SA. Learn what it means to have muscle memory. Carrying a Glock 26 or 27 in "conditon 1" (chambered) is comparable to carrying a loaded S&W Jframe revolver. Its part of being human. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. The Sig 320 problem was that it had an internal block but dropping (or smacking it with a hammer) could make the trigger move to disengage the firing pin block. When I was a lot younger, I was riding horses with some friends. See? I do carry that way, however, with my 1911. Uberti, for instance, makes some models with a transfer bar safety and also a few with a floating firing pin, which drops below the channel to the primer when the hammer is fully forward and can thus be carried fully loaded. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2','ezslot_5',119,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2-0');The danger comes from dangerous gun handling and not following safe gun handling rules. The Glock 26 Gen 4 weighs approximately 25 ounces with a loaded magazine. Modern shooter often often dont want to fiddle with something complex. It will catch on and you will be a rock star! The New York Trigger as it became known had an 8-pound trigger pull. Older single action revolvers or those still manufactured without a hammer block/transfer bar are theoretically more prone to discharge back in the day when you ride a horse as the drop from that position could allow the pistol to rotate muzzle up when it lands. One near each upstairs door and one near the basement door. Mine, of course, is in the latter, and it's held up well to a lot of shooting. Thats OK with me. Beyond being "The Original" Glock, which won the company favor with the Austrians then the world, the Glock G17 is arguably the most popular Glock pistol model on the planet.. Just the easier reloading of the old Ruger 3 screw models (or any other regular types like the Colt SAA) vs the new ones, makes up for that one extra round, at least IMO. And I dont want to have to think about anything. I own several safes, and none of them fit in my holster. *, Keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard until your sights are on a target you intend to shoot and you should be training to do that automatically *even* while under stress.